TRAP – Do not rely solely on yourself for survival, you will fail.

LoneWolfThere is a “lone wolf” mentality in the prepper world that says you can survive by yourself (or just you & your family) tucked away in a cabin somewhere away from a fallen society. I say that is pure hogwash!!!

You might make it for a couple of days, a week or 6 months; maybe even a year. But survival takes a lot of skills and resources to be successful. And I am willing to bet that even with a large family you don’t come close to having all those skills.

Example #1: How about security? In “grid-down” with a threat of physical harm you must provide security for your location. How many people does it take to provide 24/7 security? Let’s say just one person at a time on duty. Ok, how long are the shifts? How many shifts per day? How do they rest when they are not providing security? Do they have other physical responsibilities when not providing security? I say it takes a minimum of 4 adults to provide minimal security for a location 24/7. And then it is questionable how long they can keep that up.

Example #2: Your wife’s appendix bursts, how do you keep her from dying? You a doctor with surgical capability?

Example #3: Your truck quits working because you blew a rod. Can you fix it? Can you manufacture a new rod? Group-PeopleShooting

Your only chance of survival long-term is in a group with the right combination of skill sets. Plus, it is more enjoyable than cabin fever! Go find yourself a self-reliance group and work with them to make it a great experience…and improve your odds of survival.

9 thoughts on “TRAP – Do not rely solely on yourself for survival, you will fail.

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  6. Plain speaking, I like that.

    Except I’ve seen too much over the years in the armed forces, as an independent contractor, and as a civilian to have absolutely no faith in any form of government.

    You mentioned your Bill of Rights and the whole concept of a Constitutional Republic.
    I always admired that document.
    Still do.
    Yet if memory serves me right the media and other blogs are all reporting The bill of rights and the all important amendments are “currently being shredded by the present government”.

    Not my words, theirs.
    What is written can be changed.

    “Unified Command” aka Management by committee
    Central management always leads to a slow decision making process.
    It also generally spawns “them and us”. It’s inevitable.

    Problem is what if the masses don’t like what they are hearing?
    What if just one doesn’t?

    What’s the plan?
    1. Lets talk some more about this.
    2. Tough just do it!
    3. Time for you to leave!

    All groups need rules, laws, or whatever you call it.
    All laws have to be enforced.
    There has to be a penalty for those will not or don’t want to “conform” or carry out “orders”.
    If there isn’t then some will just sit, others will work.
    What’s your plans.

    1. No food
    2. Jail
    3. Banishment
    4. Death

    Then what happens if another group arrives on the scene and their doctrine is different from yours?
    What if they try to follow theirways. Will you stop them?
    For example your group may be Christian, theirs Islamic,

    What if they try and change your ways to align with theirs?
    What if your people don’t like that?
    What if you have to ban this “new thinking”.
    Wars have started over less.

    Government, laws, religion, status, and greed.
    Probably why the world is in such a mess,
    Probably what it will revert back to “afterwards”.

    And finally the faith issue.
    Only I’m always careful about quoting faith to others for they may have seen things where faith has led to death

    I believe there is a God for everyone. I won’t knock a persons faith.
    Except mine comes from experiencing 3rd world negotiation.
    He who shoots first and more accurately usually wins the point.

    Anyway back to “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”

    Stuff that, it’s better to revenge than to throw your life away.

    For example, you die to save another leaving your wife and kids.
    Who is going to feed, shelter, and protect them when you are gone.

    As one very old grizzed merc once said to me,
    “Look after your own, nothing else matters, least of all me”.
    He died shortly afterwards, an RPG.
    Words of a dead man.
    Locked in my faith for ever.

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    • Plain speaking, I like that.
      Except I’ve seen too much over the years in the armed forces, as an independent contractor, and as a civilian to have absolutely no faith in any form of government. Sorry to hear that, and I am pretty much in the same boat as you are. I don’t believe in government as it exists now. But I do believe in people and what they can build going forward after a collapse.
      You mentioned your Bill of Rights and the whole concept of a Constitutional Republic.
      I always admired that document. Still do.Yet if memory serves me right the media and other blogs are all reporting The bill of rights and the all important amendments are “currently being shredded by the present government”. Not my words, theirs. What is written can be changed. You are correct, they are shredded but that doesn’t negate their foundational principles and the ability to re-establish them after a collapse. And “change” is a good thing if it is a change for the better. And people control change.
      “Unified Command” aka Management by committee. Central management always leads to a slow decision making process. It also generally spawns “them and us”. It’s inevitable. That is absolutely 100% incorrect. You may not be familiar with ICS or you have only seen it implemented incorrectly.
      Problem is what if the masses don’t like what they are hearing? What is your point?
      What if just one doesn’t? What is your point?
      What’s the plan?
      1. Lets talk some more about this.
      2. Tough just do it!
      3. Time for you to leave!
      The above doesn’t sound like much of a plan, sounds like someone looking for a way to dispose of what their own ego doesn’t like regardless of its validity or appropriateness.
      All groups need rules, laws, or whatever you call it.
      All laws have to be enforced.
      There has to be a penalty for those will not or don’t want to “conform” or carry out “orders”.
      If there isn’t then some will just sit, others will work.
      What’s your plans. 1. No food, 2. Jail, 3. Banishment, 4. Death
      That is up to the group to decide at the time they adopt whatever form of self-government they adopt.
      Then what happens if another group arrives on the scene and their doctrine is different from yours?
      What if they try to follow theirways. Will you stop them?
      For example your group may be Christian, theirs Islamic,
      What if they try and change your ways to align with theirs?
      What if your people don’t like that?
      What if you have to ban this “new thinking”.
      Wars have started over less.
      You can play the “what if” game till eternity runs out of patience. You believe in and adopt correct principles and let that guide your response whatever the situation. So you may choose to play “what if” for whatever purpose you choose. A person either builds or destroys, there is no in between. We have to choose our own paths.
      Government, laws, religion, status, and greed.
      Probably why the world is in such a mess,
      Probably what it will revert back to “afterwards”.
      Absolutely agree and disagree. “money & power” is the bottom line corruptor. Religion, when based on correct principles, can free people to do that which is right. Government and laws, when constrained to within strict limits of defending rights is a great thing. Post-collapse the world will change to whatever people choose to do. Different ethnic groups, different cultures and different geographic locations will probably influence that form of government post-collapse.
      And finally the faith issue.
      Only I’m always careful about quoting faith to others for they may have seen things where faith has led to death. I am truly sorry to hear that. Faith is only a good thing when it is placed in God and in His son Jesus Christ. Faith placed is anything else if faith in jeopardy.
      I believe there is a God for everyone. I won’t knock a persons faith. The is only one Heavenly Father; commonly referred to as God by many.
      Except mine comes from experiencing 3rd world negotiation.
      He who shoots first and more accurately usually wins the point.
      That is truly sad, and I am sorry that is all that you have known, or only that which you choose to accept. I have seen those things as well, but I have been fortunate enough to break those chains that bind me to a negative vision of life. If you would ever like to talk privately I can share how you too can break those chains.
      Anyway back to “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”
      Stuff that, it’s better to revenge than to throw your life away. Sorry, you either believe in God and His words or you don’t. If you choose not to believe that is your option. But it doesn’t negate their truth or their applicability to life.
      For example, you die to save another leaving your wife and kids.
      Who is going to feed, shelter, and protect them when you are gone.
      As one very old grizzed merc once said to me,
      “Look after your own, nothing else matters, least of all me”.
      He died shortly afterwards, an RPG.
      Words of a dead man.
      Locked in my faith for ever.
      I am sorry to hear that you have had such negative and devastating experiences in life and not been able to break free of them. You can, and it is much easier on the soul when you do. But that is a personal decision on your part and one I respect. But I feel sad for you because I know what is on the other side of that coin. Faith, hope and charity beat death, hate and revenge any day of the week.

      You sound very hurt and bitter about life and that is a true tragedy. If you ever want to reach out I am here.

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  7. A self-reliance group working together with others?
    Same as a small colony as it would probably only work if you all lived together.
    After all what good is a neighbor if it takes a full day to reach them?

    Adding the complication of individuals or even families working together and that usually only works in a paramilitary / militia form with a strict hierarchy and rule book.

    From there the slide into “them and you” can be terrifyingly brief.

    Joining an established group, you may not understand the dynamics of that group or what their ultimate plan for you is. Until it is too late. After all some militia scribe a charter, a book of rules, which all have to abide from. A good idea until it is rewritten.

    I’m reminded of the Book ‘Animal Farm’ by George Orwell with it’s 7 laws.
    One stated “All animals are equal”, later changed by adding “but some animals are more equal than others”.

    Groups are not for me as when joining one you will never truly know who you are with or your true standing within the group until the chips are VERY firmly down.

    After all what would be your reaction to :-
    “Welcome friend, please deposit your weapons in the armory and your supplies in the collectives stores”.

    What if you say “NO”? One voice among many.
    Many you may not know.
    Once those gates close you’re on their ground, your security nil.

    I suppose the alternative is to make your own group up but you never know who is coming through the door to join. They could be just a predator building a portfolio of those to plunder. A spy even. Weird to think like that but what if it was government sussing you out BEFORE the big event.

    You can’t even rely on a recommendation from an other. Some of the most brutal of characters are the most accomplished liars.

    Whilst I agree that the lone wolf MAY (and I do mean MAY) not last long term, the danger of any “collective” is the politics of the group, their leadership, and their minions aka sheeple who may just be the type to follow any order no matter how stupid it might be.

    Keep it tight, keep it small, retain your mobility, and trust no one.
    Especially those who promise you shelter, food, and security for nothing in return.

    After all everyone’s your friend until the rent is due.

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    • See my embedded comments. Thank you taking the time to read the short article and responding. I appreciate you sharing your views and stimulating more conversation on this concept.

      A self-reliance group working together with others? Working with each other. And then eventually working with other communities that are agreeable and cooperative. Same as a small colony as it would probably only work if you all lived together. Lived in close proximity to each other. They could live in the same farm/ranch, etc. But that would only be temporary since close quarters can be tough on non-families.
      After all what good is a neighbor if it takes a full day to reach them? It can be VERY “good” if both you and your neighbor are good to each other, share similar goals and can add value to the friendship. No different than it is today between individuals, families, social groups, communities, states, or countries.
      Adding the complication of individuals or even families working together and that usually only works in a paramilitary / militia form with a strict hierarchy and rule book. Absolutely not! America is full of examples of groups working together for mutual benefit. “Militias” are a good thing and are the very basis of America and our formation. I’ve never seen an example of a “paramilitary” community or group have a positive outcome. “Police State” comes to mind when thinking “paramilitary”…not good at all.

      From there the slide into “them and you” can be terrifyingly brief. If the foundation, the shared values, shared goals are not there you are correct.
      Joining an established group, you may not understand the dynamics of that group or what their ultimate plan for you is. Until it is too late. After all some militia scribe a charter, a book of rules, which all have to abide from. A good idea until it is rewritten. And that is why America adopted a Constitutional Republic concept of ruling. Unfortunately we allowed it to turn into a democracy and that screwed it up. But the example is there for us to follow if we so wish.
      I’m reminded of the Book ‘Animal Farm’ by George Orwell with its 7 laws.
      One stated “All animals are equal”, later changed by adding “but some animals are more equal than others”. That is the true challenge is to prevent folks from changing the rule book to something that harms any sub-group or individual. And that is the foundation of our Bill of Rights and the whole concept of a Constitutional Republic.
      Groups are not for me as when joining one you will never truly know who you are with or your true standing within the group until the chips are VERY firmly down. I can’t disagree with the latter part of your statement but the first part does sadden me a bit. But, you have to make your own choice as to how you will attempt survival in post-grid down. And then hope you made the right decision. America is sufficiently large enough, with enough people, that if you do your homework ahead of time, or have a basic understanding of people that you should be able to find a group with which to join and be satisfied. If not, create a group yourself and design the rulebook yourself.
      After all what would be your reaction to :-
      “Welcome friend, please deposit your weapons in the armory and your supplies in the collectives stores”.
      What if you say “NO”? One voice among many.
      Many you may not know.
      Once those gates close you’re on their ground, your security nil. And that is why you use the most basic of recon concepts and skills, you observe for a considerable length of time before making a move. You don’t jump at the first opportunity and be foolish. Do your work ahead of time, learn who people are, learn the indicators of bad behavior. Not much different than looking for a wife as you date.
      I suppose the alternative is to make your own group up but you never know who is coming through the door to join. They could be just a predator building a portfolio of those to plunder. A spy even. Weird to think like that but what if it was government sussing you out BEFORE the big event. You are spot on!
      You can’t even rely on a recommendation from another. Some of the most brutal of characters are the most accomplished liars. Yup, can’t disagree there. I’ve been around a long time and have learned people pretty well. But I can make mistakes as well. That is why I believe in “group” leadership of groups; concept called “Unified Command” in the incident management world. Called Constitutional Republic in the political world. No one person has all the answers. But a group of good people together are pretty formable when it comes to assessing a situation or other people.
      Whilst I agree that the lone wolf MAY (and I do mean MAY) not last long term, the danger of any “collective” is the politics of the group, their leadership, and their minions aka sheeple who may just be the type to follow any order no matter how stupid it might be. Again, I can’t disagree. “Collectives” imply communism and/or socialism…both are horrible ways to govern and only results in death, destruction and suffering. There is always a danger to living in a group situation after the grid fails. But the alternative is even more dangerous. The key is who you group up with and then maintaining the integrity of that group when times get tough. No one worries when times are good, it is when times get tough that the real person shows up. And that can get ugly. But it is no different than daily life now, you still have to be careful. Fortunately, here in America we have discovered how to screw up a very good thing; gives us a basis to try and avoid the same mistake again.
      Keep it tight, keep it small, retain your mobility, and trust no one.
      Especially those who promise you shelter, food, and security for nothing in return. “trust” is a tough issue n grid-down. Everyone, at some time, must “trust”. Whether it’s, yourself, your battle buddy, your family, your group, your God, etc. there must be an element of trust. Otherwise, it becomes a very lonely unfulfilled life. As a lone wolf your only goal is survival. My goal is to survive, rebuild and thrive. Otherwise…what is the point.
      After all everyone’s your friend until the rent is due. There is always a price to pay for everything in life. There is no escaping paying your way in life regardless of the situation. The key is “what price” you pay. For my family I will gladly pay with my life if it mean protecting them. Same is true for the guy next to me in the foxhole. I have even laid it out there for my country many years ago. Even today, as a firefighter, there is a risk of losing my life doing my job for my community. It is the price that might be called in. I, along with many others, are willing to pay that price. That is called “Believing in something bigger than yourself.” As a believer in Christ I subscribe to the concept that is best relayed through scripture, “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”

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