MCB Interlock

My experience with an MCB Interlock device has been a total success so far.

I needed to build a control box for my solar well. My solar well pump can directly accept AC or DC power. Part of the box build included an AC inlet for my genset and the incoming DC power from the PV array. I needed to make it easy to switch between power sources quickly and safely. And ensure that power could not come from both sources at once. Although highly unlikely that would ever be attempted, I wanted to ensure it as an impossibility. Hence, the “interlock” concept.

I first heard about their existence here on the forum, I don’t remember which thread. I purchased an interlock device off Amazon along with two Mollum MCBs; 20aAC and 25aDC. They arrived, and it didn’t work.

Problem: Mollum MCBs are not compatible with the interlock I purchased. Mollum breakers have the flip lever in the vertical middle of the unit. The interlock won’t slide with that configuration. So I purchased two Chtaixi MCBs after doing a bit of research (i.e. opening my eyes); its flip lever is located towards the bottom of the unit.

I Slid everything onto a DIN rail and it worked just as advertised.

So let me show you how it looks in my control box build…

AC power…

DC power…

But, here is a cool feature that I just stumbled upon…

Yup, when you want to lock out all incoming power from the genset or the PV array it turns into a “lock out”. Yeah, yeah…I know there is no place for a true padlock or even a tag to prevent sliding the interlock into operational capability. But, for me it is just a cool feature for added safety…not ultimate safety.

So, for a total of $48 I have the circuit breakers I need to disconnect power and protect the wire AND I have a device to safely and easily switch between power sources. Not a bad deal in my book.

If this is something that interests you…

The interlock: https://amzn.to/43JeNWI

AC MCB circuit breaker: https://amzn.to/3K7z29S

DC MCB circuit breaker: https://amzn.to/3Ko7xZH

MCB Interlock

My experience with an MCB Interlock device has been a total success so far.

I needed to build a control box for my solar well. My solar well pump can directly accept AC or DC power. Part of the box build included an AC inlet for my genset and the incoming DC power from the PV array. I needed to make it easy to switch between power sources quickly and safely. And ensure that power could not come from both sources at once. Although highly unlikely that would ever be attempted, I wanted to ensure it as an impossibility. Hence, the “interlock” concept.

I first heard about their existence here on the forum, I don’t remember which thread. I purchased an interlock device off Amazon along with two Mollum MCBs; 20aAC and 25aDC. They arrived, and it didn’t work.

Problem: Mollum MCBs are not compatible with the interlock I purchased. Mollum breakers have the flip lever in the vertical middle of the unit. The interlock won’t slide with that configuration. So I purchased two Chtaixi MCBs after doing a bit of research (i.e. opening my eyes); its flip lever is located towards the bottom of the unit.

I Slid everything onto a DIN rail and it worked just as advertised. So let me show you how it looks in my control box build…

AC power…

DC power…

But, here is a cool feature that I just stumbled upon…Yup, when you want to lock out all incoming power from the genset or the PV array it turns into a “lock out”. Yeah, yeah…I know there is no place for a true padlock or even a tag to prevent sliding the interlock into operational capability. But, for me it is just a cool feature for added safety…not ultimate safety.

So, for a total of $48 I have the circuit breakers I need to disconnect power and protect the wire AND I have a device to safely and easily switch between power sources. Not a bad deal in my book.

And yes, you can use two AC breakers or two DC breakers for switch between power sources.

< click here…AMAZON: Breaker Manual Locking Device >

 

SOLAR: Does it ever end? Is it ever enough?

If you remember I upgraded my entire battery bank in the spring (2025) and increased battery storage from 32kWh to 41kWh (630ah – 800ah) < click here >. I also went with a “closed loop” battery bank connected to my Victron CCGX. The Midnite MNPowerFlo5 batteries now control the charging vs the charge controller “smart network” and GX device. Other than me tinkering with the DVCC settings (which I learned my lesson not to) the system has been up and running with no real problems of any kind. Well, almost…

I did the upgrade in March…which is clear and cool weather with bright, clear, sunny, blue skies. Just about perfect conditions for maximum PV production. And then July came around. Here in AZ the monsoon season usually starts in July, along with cloudy skies, sometimes for 2 – 4 days in a row. So out came the generator to occasionally top off the batteries and/or keep the lights on. And that is also the time period when I started messing with DVCC settings. Yeah, bad combination.

A number of Victron experts on this forum helped straighten me out, educate me, and turn all the DVCC settings back to the defaults. Thanks guys!!

But, I still had a solar production problem. Yeah, I didn’t do a very good job of calculating the peak solar/sun times for each month…July – September can be the cloudy season, and I didn’t really account for that very well. I often couldn’t get the batteries up to a full SOC, sometimes not even close. Hence, the genset usage.

I am 100% off-grid and wanted the battery storage to carry me almost a week on my household “minimum load”; I achieved that with the 41kWh of batteries. But sufficient energy storage without sufficient energy production kinda leaves you us in the dark…no pun intended.

My system has “evolved” over the last 6 years. Finally settling on almost entirely Victronsmurf through and through! My PVs…well, a mess. I started on a shoestring budget and have pinched pennies since then when it came to PVs. Some would, rightfully so, criticize that…but that is just how it happened.

I had/have 3 arrays;

  1. 800w (8x100w HQST 18v/5.5a) mounted on my utility room roof facing south-south-east (165degrees), first array built,
  2. 2235w (6x250w Canadian Solar 30v/8.3a) + (3x245w Canadian Solar 30v/8a) ground mount facing south-south-west (210degrees), array built a year after the first,
  3. 2235w (6x250w Canadian Solar 30v/8.3a) + (3x245w Canadian Solar 30v/8a) ground mount facing south (180degrees), array built a year after the 2nd array.
  • Arrays #1 & #2 combined into a Victron 150/70. Array #3 into a separate Victron 150/70.
  • Arrays #2 & #3 evolved; they each started with the 6xCS 250s and then I added the 245s (3 each) last year. Yeah, not the best method, but close enough for me at the time.
  • Arrays #2 & #3 were all used panels, but I tested them and they were producing at 95% rated capacity…and I got a killer deal on them at the time.

Array #1 Upgrade –

I knew I had to increase production but the roof of the utility room limited me on the size of panels I could put up there. And my wife was severely limiting the upgrade budget as well. My solar business buddy gave me some used 175w Solar World panels (37.5v/5a) (tested out at 97%), couldn’t turn them down and they were a good fit for the utility room roof. I was able to install 6 of those panels for a production increase of 31% (2S3P) over the old panels.

Additionally, combining Array #1 & #2 couldn’t be a good thing; 1) different panels, 2) different compass points. True south for our location is about 170 degrees; #1 was spot on, #2 was 20 degrees off. I am sure the MPPT had “issues” trying to workout the charging algorithm making it inefficient.

So I purchased a Victron 100/20 MPPT Smart Solar Charger for Array #1.

Array #2 planned upgrade –

There wasn’t much I could do to increase production significantly at this point. But, I could remove the 6x250w CS panels and replace them with matching 6x245w CS panels. That gives me 9 matching 245w Canadian Solar (30v/8a) panels with no loss of production.

And since it will now be on its own Victron 150/70 MPPT Smart Solar Charger I should see more efficient, more production, out of the panels. Additionally, I will be painting the frame with all the panels removed and cleaning up some wiring.

Array #3 planned upgrade –

This array was the one place where I could increase production. So I will be removing all the panels, making frame modifications for another 6 panels, frame painting, wiring improvements, and panel reinstalling. I will then have a total of 15 x 250w Canadian Solar (30v/8.3a) panels on this array (3S5P).

And once again, since all panels will now be matching 250s I should see an efficiency increase there. And adding 6 more panels will increase the array by 1500w.

Projected Overall System Production Increase –

  • Additional 1750w in additional panels (plus another 1500w this winter)
  • Efficiency increase with the added 100/20 MPPT on Array #1,
  • Efficiency increase with matching panels on Array #2 & #3.

Current Project Status –

  • All of the work is done on Array #1, including the addition of the 100/20 MPPT.
  • Array #2 (phase 1) starts on Monday. Phase 2 will be this winter.
  • Array #3 starts the following week.

Watching the production side the last couple of days…yup, seeing more production with simply upgrading Array #1 so far.

Something New –

I was not happy with the array disconnect switches in the utility room. They just weren’t right for the job. So I came up with an “elegant” solution. Okay, maybe not elegant, but pretty cool IMO. I built a PV disconnect box. I integrated an appropriate sized circuit breaker for each array as the disconnects along with the SPDs.

Here’s the old set-up…
Here is the new set-up…
So each array has an exterior combiner box with fuses on each string, a circuit breaker for the array, and a Chinese SPD for the array. Then inside the utility room there is a circuit breaker (acting as a disconnect switch) and a Midnite Solar SPD. I like it!

One last thought…I looked and looked at Array #2 trying to figure out how to add substantial production capability to it. Location and spacing with the garden just wouldn’t let that happen. But I have another matching 6x245w CS panels…I didn’t want them to go to waste. I figured out that about 20’ away I can add another ground mount frame with the 6 panels and run them (3S2P) to the combiner box on Array #2. That will add another 1500w to the system sometime this winter.

Old production – 5.2kw

New Production – 8.5kw (when I am all done this winter with Array #2 – Phase 2)

So this is how I am upgrading the production side of the system…this time…and this winter. To me to just seems as if it never ends…it’s never enough. Oh well, the joys of solar, living off-grid…and evolution.

So…what/how has your solar journey been?


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DC Wire – Types, Size Chart, and Fusing

One of the things that can get confusing, but is extremely important, is knowing what size of wire to use when working with DC circuits. And once you get the wire size figured out…then trying to figure out what size fuse should you use.

So I’ve included a wire sizing chart at the bottom of the page for you to download. And I will provide a couple of tips as well. Finally, I will provide a link to a great little sizing and fusing calculator that I think makes everything much easier when trying to calculate all of this. But first, some good information to know…Also, it is important to note that when dealing with DC currents in solar power systems (SPS) you need a high-quality wire with a good insulation rating; 105 degrees centigrade is commonly referred to as the standard. Voltage rating should be “600V”. Also, stranded wire is best when using wire in the DC side of SPSs…the more strands the better. But, a good measure would be as follows, with each strand being 30AWG wire…

6AWG – 260 strands
4AWG – 364 strands
2AWG – 624 strands
1AWG – 767 strands
1/0 – 975 strands
2/0 – 1196 strands
3/0 – 1547 strands
4/0 – 1950 strands

Most wire wire/cable will come with rubber or rubber-based insulation. Silicone-based wire insulation is generally considered superior to rubber-based wire insulation for a number of reasons, one being a higher heat rating, up to 200 degrees centigrade. Silicone is the most fire-resistant of common insulation material, it is also highly resistant to extreme environments. Then we also see silicone as being more flexible and more compression resistant. And yes, silicone is more suitable for outdoor applications, but when running wire outdoors it’s always best placed inside a protective conduit.

Aluminum wire should not be used…period. Copper wire is the standard for DC applications due to its high electrical conductivity. However, there is even better wire than standard copper wire, tin-plated stranded copper wire. Tin-plated copper wire is noted for its longevity because of its anti-corrosion properties. And, studies show that this variety of copper wiring is able to withstand adverse weather conditions and end up lasting far longer than the standard copper wires. It’s also preferred in applications where the wire will be exposed to a high degree of humidity. And lastly, tin-plated copper wire has more electrical conductivity as compared to other varieties of copper wires. And yes, it is more expensive.

Here is a little tip for you…up-size wire recommendations one size. Yup, look up the recommended wire size…then go with one size larger. This gives you a measure of safety when deciding on your wiring. Better to have a wire/cable one size too large than one size too small. One size too small can result in more resistance and potentially melting the wire itself. And obviously, if you melt wire it is a bad thing, a very band thing…which could result in a fire.

And that brings me to another tidbit of information that should be, will be, important to you…protecting your wire from over-current. The reason you protect your wire from over-current to prevent melting wire/cable and the possibility of fire is plain and obvious. So you put a fuse in the circuit.

Quality equipment manufacturers (Tier 1 companies) will provide fusing and/or circuit breakers internally to the equipment to protect that equipment. It is the installer’s responsibility to protect the wire connecting the equipment with fuses and/or circuit breakers.

Looking at a fuse and its job is pretty simple…the job of the fuse is to melt its wire or plate element at a lower current (amperage) than the wire can handle. That breaks the circuit and stops the flow of electricity. If the fuse is rated for a higher current than the wire, then the wire become the fuse by failing before the fuse blows.

Here’s an example: 1AWG wire is rated to handle 150amps at a total circuit of under 15′ (up-sized one size). Now, if you wanted to protect that wire from failure and put a 200amp fuse in the circuit…the wire would theoretically fail at 150amps before the fuse “blew” (a.k.a. opened) at 200amps.

To avoid this problem in our example you would use a fuse of slightly less that 200amps…say 125 – 150amps. That way the fuse would do its job before the wire failed and caused a potentially serious problem.

And here is another thing to consider when deciding on the correct fuse to use…its different ratings. So take a 125amp/58v BF-2 fuse from Littelfuse. It is rated at 125amps, yes? But does that mean it will blow as soon as the current hits 126amps? No. If you review the chart that accompanies the fuse you will see it will maintain integrity for different lengths of time at different currents (amps).

At 100% of rating, in this case 125amps, the fuse will maintain integrity for 4 hours. If the current rises to 135% of its rating (169amps) the fuse will still be good for approximately 2 minuets before it opens/blows. At 200% of its rating (250amps) it will open/blow at about the 1 second mark. And at 750amps it will open/blow at about 1/10th of a second. So before you decide on the right fuse looks closely at its ratings.

In our 1AWG, 200amp wire circuit at a full 200amps of current, the 125amp fuse would blow in 2 – 3 seconds

Also, notice the fuse description in the example, “125amp/58v”, that means it is rated for 125amps only up to 58volts. Meaning, if you try to employ it in a circuit above 58v it will not function correctly…as in fail.

What???  And why is it rated at 58v, sounds strange, eh? That fuse is designed for 48volt solar power systems. So why the larger than 48 voltage rating? Remember that solar power system voltages can run as high as 56 – 58 volts +/- coming out of the MPPT charge controller.

Now, let’s return to the wire insulation rating. Remember I mentioned that wire should have at least a rating of 105 degrees centigrade? That means 220 degrees Fahrenheit. That is above boiling temperature of water before it fails. Silicone insulation can handle almost 400 degrees Fahrenheit before failure. So you can see one of the obvious benefits to silicone wire insulation. Now, that being said…if you are building a circuit counting on silicone’s ability to handle almost double the temps vs rubber-based insulation…you are building the circuit in dangerous country. Consider redesigning the circuit more for safety.

And there is one really misunderstood aspect of deciding on wire/cable size…the distance or length of the actual wire run. Most folks will look at the circuit and say there is 5′ between the pieces of equipment and then use that to choose the wire/cable size. WRONG!! You use the total distance of the run…round trip. The circuit is the round trip of the current. So 5′ between equipment is a 10′ distance/length.

OK, so here is the long awaited chart with one note before the displaying it…when looking at the “circuit type” use “Critical” and “3% voltage drop” and when looking at the distance, the distance is the maximum run. So when you see 15′, that means up to 15′ round trip. Notice the “round trip”…that means the wire going to AND from the two devices.

( This is a very large graphic chart. Click to enlarge or you can download it as well. )

< click here to download the DC Wire Selection Chart in PDF file format >

“Voltage drop”…don’t worry about it…just use “3%” when using the chart. But if you really want to know…voltage drop is the amount of voltage will be lost through “resistance” in the wire. Meaning the lower the quality of the wire, the more resistance, the more voltage drop, resulting in less energy being moved from one device to another. Yes, that is a bad thing, it’s a waste of energy. That is the reason to correctly size wire…to efficiently move current/power through the wire.

Now, let’s talk about the wire sizing and fusing calculator that is found on the “explorist.life” website. I like it…I like it a lot! You input the “amps”, the “voltage”, and the round trip length between the devices…then it shows you the recommended size of wire/cable to use to safely and efficiently carry that current. I like to reduce the “voltage drop” to 1.5% when using the calculator. That gives an extra margin of safety and efficiency.

There is also an option “Show Fuse Sizing Recommendations ” it gives you a great bunch of fuse information; 1)Minimum Fuse Size, 2) Recommended Fuse Size, 3) Max Wire Capacity, 4) Max Fuse Size. That is great, and critical, information to help guide you through making those design decisions. But again, I like to up-size the wire/cable one size just to be safe…and it allows for a little system expansion should the need arise.

The calculator link is https://www.explorist.life/wire-sizing-calculator/

And yes, https://www.explorist.life, run by Nate Yarbrough, has a lot of great information for you if you care to look around, including some very good videos.

TakeAways –
  • Use high quality, well insulated, stranded wire in DC circuits.
  • Up-size the wire by one size.
  • Use the right chart and/or calculator to determine the correct fuse size.
  • Ensure that the fuse rating(s) always are lower than the wire rating.
  • If you don’t understand all of this…then you shouldn’t be doing it yourself.

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Our Glamstead Solar System

Here we go…I was asked to supply the info and diagram of our solar system. I hope this can be of use to folks who are thinking about going off-grid or grid-tied.

After working through the numbers I felt a 4kw – 5kw inverter would handle our needs. Yeah, I maybe didn’t get it right…thought it would meet our needs.

Later I thought about adding electric baseboard heaters…right after I figured out we needed air conditioning. So be careful on how you calculate your electric needs…then add 40 – 50%.

So here are “jpgs” for each part…

Here is the link for a PDF file of the whole thing…

< click here for Glamstead Solar Sytem PDF file >