Well, time to be objective and honest in what we believe, in our core values…are you ready?
We are talking about Trump. And yes, we are talking about his written comment on Truth Social regarding the Constitution. And yes, I am bringing it up. And of course I want to explore the concept of “principles vs politics”…if you are ready. And yes, this is over a week old issue; I’ve purposely waited on commenting/asking for 9 days to see how this played out and if there was a meaningful or substantive follow-up by Trump or his team.
So first thing we have to ask ourselves what exactly did Trump write/post. You have to ignore headlines because they tend to be “click bait” regardless of the media format. And 60% of the headlines that I reviewed were wrong in what was actually said by Trump. Oddly, they were wrong slightly favoring Trump. I find that interesting.
To be honest in this situation we have to go to his exact words…specifically what Trump said…not what someone else says Trump said. So here are the words that Trump wrote on December 3rd, 2022…
“So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”
This is the actual screen print for reference…
“…allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”
Continuing to boil this down we have to ignore everything but what he actually said…forget the controversy, real or fake, that is the context…namely a fraudulent election.
The crux of the matter is simple…Do we want someone in the political arena, and potentially a President, advocating for the termination of all of the parts of the Constitution? Yes, that is the question at hand. And yes Trump called for ALL of the Constitution. Read his words again…
“…allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”
Those are Trumps words…not any interpretation of anything…not an opinion of what he said…not anything but his exact words. So, I go back and ask again it again slightly differently…”Do we want to support, or defend, a politician that calls for the termination of the Constitution?”
Take his words as he said them…don’t try and justify, don’t try and explain, don’t try to reword, don’t try to do anything but believe what he said…it was simple, plain, direct, and exactly what he said.
For me…I support the Constitution 100% and I don’t support anyone who doesn’t support the Constitution…especially politicians.
Now, let’s add back in “context” to give this issue a fair hearing…
Trump raised the question of the legitimacy of the 2020 Presidential election…rightfully so. I am not qualified to provide a competent judiciary-based decision on the legitimacy of the 2020 Presidential election. I can provide an opinion, but it is only my opinion, nothing more. Now, I can say that factually no court found that the 2020 Presidential election was either fraudulent or illegitimate…not a single court, not anywhere. So for fact-based, evidence-based, conversation I say it is only right that we go with that.
Again, based on the above paragraph, was Trump justified in his call for termination of the Constitution? For me the answer is an easy one.
Now, let’s take another path on this discussion…let’s say that the 2020 Presidential election was fraudulent. Would Trump be justified in his call for termination of the Constitution? For me the answer again is an easy one.
For me I have to review what I hold in the highest regard…the Constitution vs do I value politics over principles.
If the 2020 Presidential election was fraudulent and had been found to be so in a court…then it is up to the court to decide what to do about it. And ultimately it would have ended up in the Supreme Court for a decision. And there is precedent for that. In December of 2000 the Supreme Court, Bush v. Gore, ruled (5-4) that Bush won the Florida election and awarded the state’s electoral votes to Bush. So there exists the ability for the US legal system to deal with Presidential election issues. The key here being…the US legal system. And since the Supreme Court was heavily slanted to Republicans in 2020 there would be little doubt as to it fairness.
So now, two years into Biden’s reign, let’s say that it is clear that the 2020 Presidential election was found to be fraudulent…what is the correct course of action? According to the Constitution there is no clear option on how to deal with it. However, there exists a clear path on how ALL legal issues are to be handled…due process through the US legal system. Hence, if Trump wants to pursue his claim through a cause of action he should take it to the courts…and then the court(s) deal with it…up to and including the US Supreme Court. Then the court(s) can make a determination on what to do about it legally.
In my opinion…the absolute wrong way to handle it is to terminate the Constitution…or even call for that to occur. That flies in the face of our Founding Fathers, it denigrates their entire effort of providing a Constitution given to us to legally guide and direct the affairs of the United States. If we would allow one President, rather former President, to somehow terminate the Constitution…then what are we left with? We are left with the same situation that the American Colonies found themselves in 250 years ago…the tyranny of a King.
For me…I will value principles over politics…I will value the Constitution over an individual’s desire or their edict. And I will not support anyone who calls for the termination of the Constitution…PERIOD!
And just a little food for thought…If the American people in general, as a whole, thought the 2020 Presidential election was fraudulent, that Biden was an illegitimate President, and they wanted to do something about it…then why did Republicans lose seats in the Senate and barely, just barely, take control of the House, and lose Governorships?
And then ask yourself…If the 2020 Presidential election was fraudulent in any significant way, then why didn’t at least one court at some level somewhere rule so…and thereby start it elevating to the Supreme Court?
FWIW…I 100% feel that the 2020 Presidential election was tampered with, interfered with, maybe worse. And how so? At the hands of the FBI and Department of Justice. If you want to place blame, if you want action taken, if you want things corrected…then look at the real perpetrators of the real problem with the 2020 Presidential election. Yes, the ones who are really destroying the Constitution and driving this country out of existence as a Constitutional Republic…they should be held accountable.
Please, please, figure out your core beliefs, what exactly your unshakable principles are…and then make the decision to stick with them no matter what.
Principles over politics.
Personal note: For those of you that want to lash out with cries of “Never Trumper”…shut up. If you want o call me a “Trump Hater”…shut up. I voted for Trump twice, albeit holding my nose. If you are wanting to deride me…try checking your attitude and looking at your values, beliefs, and principles.
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AH This post is your own fault, because in a previous post you encouraged me to continue posting comments, so here goes.
Here’s how I read this statement:
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”
The “Massive Fraud” allows for the termination, even those found in the Constitution.”
It would have been better had he substituted, “requires” for “allows the”, and it would make more since, but it actually says the same thing in my eyes. Here’s what I (well not me, but you know) would have said:
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude requires the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”
Then the following statement, Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!” fits in. He is saying the ‘Founders’ nor ‘he’ wants false and fraudulent elections.
In order for you to come to the conclusion that Trump wants to throw out the constitution, you have to take that statement out of context.
Don’t get me wrong. I am not a big supporter of Trump. Even when I was voting for him twice, I was saying that he is an idiot, but that he was still a FAR better choice than his opponent. And this has proven to be the case. Trump is still an idiot and he is still a better choice than “Brandon”. It really says a lot for the quality of the politicians we elect. I refer to Brandon as “The Resident of the United States”. He is not the/my President. Fraud is Fraud. Two Frauds don’t make a right.
Why didn’t the Republicans do better in this past election?
1. The Democrats saw how easy it was to elect “Brandon” so they did it for their own again.
2. The Republican leadership really didn’t want to help elect any new up and comers that may threaten their future leadership.
3. The republican base is getting sick and tired of voting someone in only to have them jump on the “cave in to the democrats” bandwagon. Had I had to ‘drive’ to a polling place to vote, I wouldn’t have voted. My vote will be overridden by some dead guy anyway.
Well, that’s my 2 cents, so back to prepping, and being the gray man…. rf
For this reply I will focus on a single point…
You made the statement, “In order for you to come to the conclusion that Trump wants to throw out the constitution, you have to take that statement out of context.”
I absolutely and completely disagree with you. Trump said, his words, “A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.” It could not be more clear…he said, clearly and unambiguously that all the articles in the Constitution could be terminated. Period, his words…literally. Also, in my post I addressed his statement both in and out of context.
His following sentence, “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!” That is just as obvious, just as plain…and something I completely agree with. But Trump did not set that as the context, it was a separate sentence, a separate point completely. But, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and did, in fact, use that as the context. His statement still didn’t hold up. And to the best of my knowledge…at NO time, in NO place, in any manner did the Founding Fathers ever advocate for the termination of the articles in the Constitution.
Words matter, context matters, truth matters, intention matters, actual statements matter. His words were as clear and as plain as any I have recently read. And additionally, they are in-line with his previous position(s) on due process.
Trump said it, he owns it…I believe exactly what he said. I did not try and create imaginary context, massage his words, or accept a false reality based on my personal hopes or views. Nor do I accept when others do so.
If anyone would have convinced Trump that his words could be misconstrued…I am sure he, or one of his team, would have walked it back or issued a clarification. Based on the fact that no one has…I can only take it that Trump meant exactly what he said.
I found at least one person that agrees with me. https://canadafreepress.com/article/no-trump-did-not-call-for-termination-of-constitution . He makes the point that, “He did not say he wants the founding document terminated, he said that the election fraud, if it continues and if the past fraud is ignored and allowed to stand, will lead to the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.
The people heard what they wanted to hear, not what Donald J. Trump actually said.”
I still stand by my reply. rf
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Very, very true….”The people heard what they wanted to hear, not what Donald J. Trump actually said.”
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I’m quite Trump weary, at this point. He did much good for our country, in his time. But I think he needs to bow out. I’m with you.
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That is an interesting term, one that I hadn’t thought of…not even close…”Trump weary”
Well said and articulate!
From an election perspective…he didn’t do the Republicans any real good during the mid-terms. What do you think he would do for the down-ticket Republicans if he was the presidential candidate?